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Danny Centurai
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Posted - 2007.07.24 03:47:00 -
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 Originally by: N'irrti
got ganked by 4 of them today 
This is the attitude I hate to see. They might be Chinese but they aren't farmers. They PvP and they do it a darn load better than a load of the muppets trolling the forums.
Still waiting for the proof of farmers and Chinese names isn't proof, thats all you seem to go on these days. Real farmers hide out the way not in an alliance that was in the middle of hostile territory. That would be a nice way for a farmer to lose his raven and real income; add to that the fact real farmers have English names... people can use translators you know.
Also real farmers speak English shock horror I know but the Gold Farmers in WOW for example always have an English speaker available to fend off claims and chat to locals; the gold farming industry is quite open about how they operate. Real farmers are clever about how they do things, the people who point at a name see its Chinese and shout farmer well thats a different story.
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Danny Centurai
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Posted - 2007.07.24 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Dysfunctionality
Your knowledge of farmers is pretty nice. But ask yourself. These [HPS] players, have you ever seen them outside of their ratting grounds? Besides traveling back and forth with their loot, have you seen them participate with any other activities? Have they taken part in any alliance activities? Operations? I, for one, have not. And with some simple digging, they appear to have never even left Fountain. These are some of the things you look for when investigating isk farmers. I wish if could be different, I wish people wouldn't sell isk for money, but the facts and evidence proves otherwise in this case.
I've spent quite some time following isk farmers and investigating them the best I can with the available tools. I know how they run and how they die. These characters have no standings with anyone but CONCORD and the rats they kill. No agents, no nothing. They all fly Ravens. They all fit cloaks. Some of them were even made within the same hour. Although, In this case, I've noticed that they actually do have a few pvp'er within their corp, but they exist MERELY to protect their ravens. The proof is there, now it's only a matter of time.
We recently had a mining op mining Kernite in Empire and well I'm pretty certain that every NASA corp was represented. Also I've ran some exploration plex's with these guys they are pretty cool. Even if their English needs some work they fly a mean Raven. =)
The thing with them always being in Fountain well I would still be out there if I had more than two ships still out there. Also none are carrier pilots yet so the logistics is a pain in the ass. Atleast for now they are causing grief to the locals... getting some nice kills and generally winding up the reds. Makes me happy really to see them griefing the people who popped our towers, damn if I can't get my ships out then I sure will go back there ruin a few ammo and fuel runs for who ever placed their POS in 7-8 our last home in fountain.
If they are so bothered about ratting then they wouldn't be making the move with us once we are established where ever we end up. They would have left the alliance by now in search of making the fountain locals blue but I see it hasn't happened. If I am wrong and there are some ISK farmers then I'm sure we will lose them once we make our move seen as the bounties are much worse pretty much everywhere we could go. Keep chasing them sure but your time would be much better spent down the pub.
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Danny Centurai
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Posted - 2007.07.24 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Danny Centurai on 24/07/2007 12:35:45
Originally by: N'irrti
Edited by: N''irrti on 24/07/2007 10:13:54
Edited by: N''irrti on 24/07/2007 10:05:11
Originally by: Danny Centurai
Originally by: N'irrti
got ganked by 4 of them today
This is the attitude I hate to see. They might be Chinese but they aren't farmers. They PvP and they do it a darn load better than a load of the muppets trolling the forums.
Still waiting for the proof of farmers and Chinese names isn't proof, thats all you seem to go on these days. Real farmers hide out the way not in an alliance that was in the middle of hostile territory. That would be a nice way for a farmer to lose his raven and real income; add to that the fact real farmers have English names... people can use translators you know.
Also real farmers speak English shock horror I know but the Gold Farmers in WOW for example always have an English speaker available to fend off claims and chat to locals; the gold farming industry is quite open about how they operate. Real farmers are clever about how they do things, the people who point at a name see its Chinese and shout farmer well thats a different story.
Yes they are farmers. Only Standings they have are to Concord and Guristas. They have all 2 Stabs + Cloak fitted, they are all in Ravens. Hell even the Maller that scrambled me had at least 1 Stabs + Cloak, they are 23/7 logged in. I didn't say they are chinese but they definatly don't do anything else then farming.
edit: reread your post again - ahhhr it's too early
Haha sorry but you are wrong here mate this really did make me laugh at least you cheered up my afternoon. The ravens you bump into are good old PvP ravens no stabs they roam around killing stuff maybe even bait you by sitting in a belt. You fall for the tricks and they get another kill mail. Check our killboard if you must you will see their corp has done roughly a third of the ISK damage NASA has done. So not cool putting good players down just because they are Chinese.
I'm sure hopemoon or readytowork would be happy to tell you their fit, once all the gankage in fountain has ended. OMG you must be a farmer to know they are logged in 23/7 so must you =).
EDIT: sorry about double posting but I like to reply to everyone separately.
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Danny Centurai
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Posted - 2007.07.24 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dysfunctionality
Edited by: Dysfunctionality on 24/07/2007 13:42:55
Originally by: Danny Centurai
Haha sorry but you are wrong here mate this really did make me laugh at least you cheered up my afternoon. The ravens you bump into are good old PvP ravens no stabs they roam around killing stuff maybe even bait you by sitting in a belt. You fall for the tricks and they get another kill mail. Check our killboard if you must you will see their corp has done roughly a third of the ISK damage NASA has done. So not cool putting good players down just because they are Chinese.
I'm sure hopemoon or readytowork would be happy to tell you their fit, once all the gankage in fountain has ended. OMG you must be a farmer to know they are logged in 23/7 so must you =).
Like I said they do have some PVP'ers. I've run into hopemoon myself, he flys a mean Arazu and nano+cloaking-Ishtar, but that doesn't count for most of the rest. But on the contrary, their ravens do happen to fit 2x stabs and cloaks. Numerous occasions of them warping off when they've been scrambled and/or disappearing when a prober shows up.
The fact of the matter remains: they're all out in fountain ratting 23/7. Where does all this isk go? Unless they are funding some other supar sekrit alliance/corporation operation, I really don't know what else they could possibly be doing with it all. 
One of the members of [HPS] even admitted to selling isk, and CCP should be investigating this as we speak. Hopefully I will be turning in more names soon as well.
I honestly hope they are. ISK farmers should be banned yeah thats plain old simple. How ever I have seen most of these guys and know they aren't farmers. I can't personally defend every member; but I can say NASA doesn't support harboring ISK farmers and if they are farmers we get F$%" all from it. I really want to know who you really are and where you are getting your information from. Post it on our forums or something I want to see it, will help us resolve the problem of which I am yet to see.
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Danny Centurai
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Posted - 2007.07.24 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: N'irrti
sorry to bust your little dream. I killed one of them by anchoring a bubble in a belt. he had 2 stabs + cloak fitted 
Hmm name or killboard link would be handy then NASA can look into it. Instead of claims, and one ratting raven find another. Actually keep killing ratting ravens because if they are ISK farmers then they will ú$"% off. =)
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